Interview with Nanpai Sanshu | Limited works, endless stories

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Among the contemporary literature of more than 20 years, Zhejiang Network Literature has gradually formed a widely recognized Chinese online literature development "Zhejiang experience" and "Zhejiang model" due to its impressive creative advantages, organizational advantages and industrial advantages. In January 2014, the nation's first network writer association, the Zhejiang Provincial Network Writers Association, was established. A group of Zhejiang network writers with the emergence of Internet media opportunities and popular cultural waves, as well as the accompanying researchers and organizers together constituted together An era landscape of creative transformation and innovative development. Today, interviews with their representatives, show their thoughts, wills, and emotions, and express their contribution and love for Zhejiang culture and the spirit of Zhejiang. New assembly. We therefore launched the "Zhejiang Network Literature Interview Records" column. The interview object is: Xu Lei (the third uncle of Nanpai).

——Xia Lie (Secretary -General of the Network Literature and Art Committee of Zhejiang Literature and Art Association, Professor of Hangzhou Normal University)

Xu Lei (Uncle Nanpai)

Zhejiang Network Literature Interview Record

Writer introduction

Uncle Nan, his real name Xu Lei, native of Jiaxing, Zhejiang. Graduated from Zhejiang Shuren University, and many times the top Chinese writer rich list. In 2006, he started literary creation on the Internet. He authored "Tomb Raider", "Tibetan Sea Blossoms" and "Battle of Nu River" and other works, which has repeatedly caused a reading boom. Among them, "Tomb Raider" is a masterpiece, and was later adapted into film and television dramas, stage dramas, etc.

1. The path of creation: the collision of inspiration

Interviewer: Looking back on the road of life, who do you think people have an important impact on your creation? What way does this impact be presented?

Uncle Nanpai: Two people have an important impact on my creation. One is my junior high school Chinese teacher, Mr. Pan, who is the only teacher who supports me. I clearly remembered that when I had a homework, I mixed the eits and novels. After discovering the staggered book, I was scared and uneasy, because I wrote a lot of secrets in the novel, such as who I like and hated, I was worried about being called a parent. However, I did not expect that after the novel was released, the typos inside were changed without any punishment. At the end of the book, Mr. Pan wrote a sentence: "If you love to write, write well." Later, at a classmate party, I sent a WeChat to Teacher Pan: "Teacher Pan: the blessings of the year, the hope of the year, the hope of the year The disciples are in mind. Now, the disciples are fortunate to be a writer. "The other is my high school at the same table. In high school, I met a very important friend in life. He was my table at the same table. It was during the military training, he looked at a stagnant water on the planet. I am curious, this person does not seem to be in a group, just like me. So I asked him, "What are you doing?" He said, "You see, how beautiful there are clouds in the water!" From then on, I think he and I have been a type of person. He is very good. Our teacher's evaluation of him is "quiet as a virgin, moving like a rabbit." Later, I turned him into an important figure in the novel -Zhang Qiling.

Interviewer: So in this way, your teacher and classmates are people who have a huge impact on your creation, but you should start creating a long time. What are the stories during this period? Also, what situation did you start creating online novels?

Uncle Nanpai: My job is international trade. Around 2006, the international financial crisis began to appear. I am engaged in foreign trade in the entertainment industry and make gambling. When I went to the United States to investigate, I found that there was no one in the sound place. Now I think about it, which is a sign of the dilemma of the US economy. Because the entertainment industry was impacted, I decisively contracted the size of the company. After the company's business contracted, I didn't think about what to do. In this case, I think about why I do n’t pick up my hobbies from the sixth grade of elementary school to the entire high school? So I started writing again. The first novel I wrote was a story given to me by my grandmother, using the service of Hangzhou Netcom, which wrote more than 3,000 words. After writing, I think my creative desire has almost been vent. I haven't thought about how far I can go on the road of literary creation, because I am still a little boss. However, besides unexpectedly, when I read it the next day, I found that many post -posts were encouraging me to continue writing. So my vanity expanded again, I think I am a genius. So I started writing.

Interviewer: It seems that you start creating a coincidence. Then do you think, in addition to real factors, do you want to express through creation? What is your original intention?

Uncle Nanpai: Creation stems from dissatisfaction with life, hoping to realize life value in the novel. Everyone feels different, but it is not, but the story can realize the possibility that cannot be realized in real life. Therefore, my original intention has nothing to do with the noble literary ideals, and many people should be the same as me. However, after that, after the creation reaches a certain degree, it will think about the meaning of literature and words, and try to create different things. This process will last a long time.

Interviewer: Your personal style is indeed very unique, so how do you collect materials in your writing concept? Also, how do you think it helps to produce creative inspiration?

Uncle Nanpai: There are many stories told by the elders in the family when they were young, and many academic papers that later read. In addition, inspiration is essentially a collision of different discipline knowledge. As long as you understand the disciplines and knowledge is rich enough, and you know at the same time, then you will have inspiration. I have done this. Many people say that inspiration is exhausted, inspiration is given God, but in fact, as long as you have a wide range of knowledge, inspiration will produce itself, and endless. Second, creative style: past and future

Interviewers: Many readers have high evaluation of your works and believe that "Tomb Raider" is a classic. So what do you think of the classic online literature? What conditions do you think online novels can be classified?

Uncle Nanpai: The classic meaning is concentrated. When the work is long enough, its value will be diluted. Therefore, we need to think about what extent can the maximum length of the classic works that can be passed down, because the classics need to go through the test of time. In the future, with the development of the media, such as the development of storage and reading media, the possibility of online literature becomes the possibility of literary classics. However, the main problem facing the classic online literature is the space of the work.

Take a step back. Is it a classic work such as "Shushan Swordsman Biography"? The recognized literary classic "Historical Records" described many people's life with a short length, and the amount of information was very large. Therefore, we may be able to change the concept, such as becoming a classic IP, then I think there are many online works that can become classic IPs, accompanied by our growth, a part of popular culture, and from generation to generation.

▲ "Tomb Robbery Notes" book

Interviewer: In this way, no matter what kind of expression, you think that thinking about key issues is a possible intersection. But creation or expression itself is not easy. I want to hear what difficulties have you encountered in the process of creating "Tomb Robbery Notes"? How to deal with it?

Uncle Nanpai: My writing habit is to think of and where to write, which helps to write a wonderful plot, but due to the lack of outline, it may encounter difficulties in creation. Go down. Once, the creation was interrupted for one year and eight months. Because my life is short, I don't have so much time to waste, so I later started writing outlines, although I think this is a creative regression. With the outline of the creation, it is very stable to write, but there are fewer opportunities for spiritual light.

Interviewer: So, you have explored the creative mode that suits you. Although you personally think that there are still some regrets, there are still obvious to the creative achievements. By the way, what are the main reasons do you think you have achieved success in your creation?

Uncle Nanpai: From the age of 5, I started to listen to the story, to my elementary school to write a story, to my college, and then I finally gave up my career to write the book "Tomb Raider". I only did one thing in my life in my life. ——It is writing. I did n’t do anything else in the first half of my life, so I made today ’s achievements.

Interviewer: Your subject matter is more inclined to imagine. Have you considered realistic theme works in the general sense of creation?

Uncle Nanpai: I have been creating such works. However, because these works lack the opportunity to publish and film and television, it is not known to readers. Because publishers need to consider the income of the work, between fantasy and reality works, they tend to publish the fantasy works of the third uncle of Nanpai. Unless this real -themed work has very high value and should not be buried in the world, it is clear that my work does not have such high value. Of course, I can try to publish after hard work, but if the market response is not good, this will not only make the future realistic theme works more difficult to publish, but also the reputation of my reputation. Simply put, the market positioning of my work is fantasy, so I will carefully consider the publication of real works.

▲ "Old Nine Gates" TV drama stills

Interviewer: From the beginning of creating "Tomb Raider" to the end of this work, have you changed your creative mentality?

Uncle Nanpai: In my opinion, only tragedy is eternal, has endless charm, and tragedy is memories of people because of a deep impression. Therefore, my initial idea was to hope that this work had a tragedy ending, and fixed in a state of tragedy. Then I turned around and said goodbye to this work. Yu Yun. However, with the passage of time and the growth of age, I gradually realized that being remembered for a long time is also a burden. Perhaps it can give the characters a good ending at a specific point in time, so that readers have a feeling of past feelings. , I never need to think about this story again. Based on this, I gave myself a chance to re -choose and end the end of the story. I hope that readers who have seen this story more than ten years ago can say "this time is over" after seeing this ending. " Essence This is also a sense of ritual that I want to bid farewell to the past. When I tied everyone to this story with a tragedy, in fact, I also used a tragedy to tie myself into the past years. Without the future, I could never go out. Therefore, I made such a decision to end its creation, say goodbye to the past, and embrace the future.

3. In addition to creation: audience and adaptation

Interviewer: You have harvested a large number of "loyal fans" since the beginning of creation. So how do you think of the relationship between fans and authors and works?

Uncle Nanpai: This is a question that requires macro thinking. We know that when Conan Dorm wrote "Holmes", he seemed to be shot a window, because he wrote Holmes's ending very miserable, exceeding many readers' expectations. This is not the experience of Conan Dour alone, and many well -known writers such as Stephen Kim have similar experiences. However, it is difficult for us to not even interrogate the inherent logic of this behavior, because the author only writes novels, and readers are read novels. Although the complex emotional entanglement between fans and authors and works is difficult to explain, it is generally existed. Based on this, my point of view is to regard it as a glory, that is, if you do not have the experience of killing and killing with readers, and there is no relationship between love between love, then are you a good writer? That is the meaning of comforting yourself and letting yourself relieved. When the reader has a strong emotional relationship with the work, then you may have reached the degree of literary achievements you have worshiped by the writers you have worshiped. This is a kind of praise for me and an identity to me. It took a long time for a long time. One hundred or two hundred years later, people may not remember what these conflicts and emotions are, but it is likely to regard it as a small legendary story that happened in the literary world. Fun talk. Therefore, just accept the relationship between fans and authors and works. ▲ Book of "Tibetan Sea Blossom"

Interviewer: So ten years have passed from around 2006 that you started creating. Has your understanding of fans changed? Has a fan's attitude towards you change?

Uncle Nanpai: A generation of fans or readers is often affected by the social and cultural environment of their survival and growth, and often has common characteristics. After reading the "Tomb Robbery Notes", the reader formed his own understanding, and he would discuss the problem very rationally. Most of the readers communicated with the plot and writing problems, and sometimes even very deep discussions. Over time, the second generation of readers began to read "Tomb Raider". Compared to the first generation of readers, the second -generation readers are more free, with fewer restraints, and there are not too many heavy things. They tend to enjoy the tacit understanding of works, writers' signing and sale, interactive ridicule between writers, and the same tacit understanding. At the same time, they did not particularly express their wishes. The latest fans are the third -generation readers. A typical characteristic is to show strong personal consciousness and personal wishes, such as what I want the work to look like. When the reader's desire for expression is strong enough, they will form a second and third understanding of the work. From the early days, I was a person who wrote and sold books. The reader was a person who read and bought books. It became a story in the story. We have formed a tacit understanding. , I care more about what I want to say. The current network environment is very large because everyone is expressing personal views.

Interviewees: The values ​​of "Tomb Raider" are also one of the reasons why it has harvested so many fans. However, the author of the network is continuously iterated now. Perhaps many network authors have no longer wanted to attract readers through writing books. One of the goals of many netwriting authors today is film and television. Therefore, some people think that it is suitable for film and television to be an important feature of network articles different from traditional literature. What do you think?

Uncle Nanpai: I have heard many peers expressing similar views, but this is a wrong understanding. Net text and film and television have happened in recent years. Early web articles were created for gaming. Someone at the time asked me if the web articles were created for the game? Based on this logic, when Chinese culture highlights strong attraction and gradually outputs to the world, is it necessary to have such a knowledge -whether the web articles are created for internationalization? This kind of understanding is related to the large culture and the economic environment. What stage of the Chinese content economy is, that is, a certain culture is particularly popular during a certain period, so people engaged in content production or creation often have this understanding.

▲ "Southern Archives" book

Interviewer: So what do you think about your work is adapted into movies, TV series, dramas, comics, games, etc.? At present, "Tomb Robbery Notes" is successfully adapted from long roads. So in the process, do you worry about your work caused the reader's aesthetic fatigue?

Uncle Nanpai: As far as I observe, there are about two to three years every ten years. Therefore, we will notice that there will be some excellent realistic works that are very good at every time, and it will be extremely exciting and considerable. However, the trend of realism will soon pass, so don't worry that the public readers will have aesthetic fatigue on a certain type of work. Throughout the history of Chinese literature, fantasy works have never been far away from the reader's reading field of reading. There are "Ziyu" in the Qing Dynasty. Therefore, although I think the literary taste of popular readers will change, it is mostly periodic. The strange and strange cause of fantasy works meet the readers' imagination without being absent.

Interviewer: Your "Tomb Raider" is also liked by many overseas readers. What are the reasons why do you think that Chinese online literature works are welcomed overseas?

Uncle Nanpai: Literary works are a shortcut to understand a culture. With the increasingly improved comprehensive national strength, China's influence in the world today is increasing, attracting more and more attention. Overseas readers will be curious about Chinese culture, curious why Chinese people create one miracle after another, and curious about the reasonable and superiority of a nation inheritance for 5,000 years. To understand China, you need to understand Chinese culture, and literary works are a shortcut to inquire about Chinese culture. Online literature works reflect the values ​​and codes in many fields in China, and have distinctive ethnic characteristics. By reading online literary works to understand the characteristics of Chinese culture and satisfy curiosity, it has become an important reason for web articles to be welcomed overseas. Overseas readers have seen another possibility through these works -understanding the rationality and superiority of a nation and a culture; and Chinese cultural genes also get in online literary works in a pretty understandable way The best way to communicate. Interviewees: Xia Lie, a professor at the School of Cultural and Creative and Media of Hangzhou Normal University; Lecturer Duan Tingjun, a lecturer at the School of Literature and Press and Communication of Yantai University.

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Source: "taste • Literary Space" July 2022 issue

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